NERMEEN SHAIKH: Just
eight months ago, U.S. and Israeli relations were said to be at their lowest
point in decades. In early March, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
came before Congress in an unprecedented, and ultimately unsuccessful, attempt
to kill the nuclear deal with Iran. Then, several weeks later, Netanyahu was
re-elected after warning of a high turnout of Arab voters and vowing to prevent
the establishment of a Palestinian state. That prompted criticism from the
Obama administration and even talk for the first time of the U.S. no longer
blocking U.N. measures critical of Israeli settlements and the occupation.
But those expecting a
confrontation when Netanyahu returned to Washington this week were mistaken.
Instead, President Obama and Netanyahu held what all sides agreed to be cordial
talks on increasing U.S. military aid to Israel. Netanyahu reportedly requested
a record $5 billion in annual U.S. military aid, an increase over the $3
billion the U.S. already provides. If Obama had any concerns about Israel’s
occupation of Palestinian land and its continued illegal settlement activity,
he did not share them publicly.
Addressing the Jewish Federation of North
America, Netanyahu praised his talks with Obama.
AMY GOODMAN: Despite the high praise, there are signs the tension still remains. Ahead of Netanyahu’s visit, Israel moved to greenlight the expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank with 2,200 new housing units. The move recalled a similar act by Netanyahu just before a visit to Israel by Vice President Joe Biden in 2010.
A few days before the Israeli
prime minister arrived in Washington, he appointed Ron Baratz to become head of
public diplomacy and media at the prime minister’s office. In a Facebook post
in March, Baratz described Obama as, quote, “the modern face of anti-Semitism
in Western and liberal countries.” Last year, Baratz said Secretary of State
John Kerry had the mental capacity of a 12-year-old.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: While President Obama was publicly silent on the occupation during Netanyahu’s visit, Hillary Clinton wrote an article for The Forward headlined “How I Would Reaffirm Unbreakable Bond with Israel—and Benjamin Netanyahu.”
Meanwhile, the Center for American Progress, a leading progressive group with close ties to both Clinton and Obama, held an event this week hosting Netanyahu in Washington. That decision reportedly prompted a revolt from some staffers, angered that a liberal group would give Netanyahu a platform. In his opening remarks at the event, Netanyahu told attendees he wanted to speak to a progressive audience.
AMY GOODMAN: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, speaking to the Center for American Progress.
Netanyahu’s appearance came
just days after a new controversy over the group’s alleged censoring of writers
critical of Israel. Newly leaked emails from 2011 and ‘12
published by The Intercept show the Center made key editorial
decisions—including editing articles, silencing writers and backing off
criticism—at the behest of influential groups who backed Israeli government
policies.
Center for American Progress
representatives were not available to join us today on the show, and they sent
us a statement instead, saying, quote, “CAP believes we need to
engage with people we don’t agree with. Tuesday’s forum covered a broad range
of issues including the prospects for peace, West Bank settlements, the Prime
Minister’s past remarks, and settler violence. By having the Prime Minister
with us, we sought to elevate the quality of the debate about U.S.-Israeli
relations after several years of tension,” they wrote.
For more, we’re joined by a
guest who experienced the censorship firsthand, he says. Ali Gharib is with us,
contributor to The Nation magazine, former staffer at the Center for
American Progress. One of Ali Gharib’s articles for the Center, he said, was
censored after complaints that the Center president, Neera Tanden, a Clinton
loyalist who served under President Obama—Ali Gharib was told firsthand not
write articles [critical] of leading pro-Israel groups, such as AIPAC.
We welcome you to Democracy
Now! Before we get into Netanyahu speaking before the Center, can you talk
about these allegations you’ve made? You worked for the Center at that time
that these leaked emails come from, that The Intercept got a hold of?
ALI GHARIB: Yeah, I
mean, the basic story was that we got attacked by a group of right-wing,
pro-Israel advocates over a period of several months, and instead of kind of
standing behind our work, CAP’s leadership turned around and went to the same
groups that were attacking us, and in an attempt to curry favor with them,
said, “Well, we’ll tamp down these criticisms of Israel.” And as you said, I—
AMY GOODMAN: How do you
know they said that?
ALI GHARIB: Sorry?
AMY GOODMAN: How do you
know they said, “We’ll tamp down these...”?
ALI GHARIB: Well, it was clear in the emails that were leaked that they had been going to groups like AIPAC and saying, “We’re working on this problem.” And then, you know, I sat in an editorial meeting where it was made absolutely clear that AIPAC—criticizing AIPAC was not on the menu, and, less specifically, criticizing Jewish groups that were advocating for Israel was something that we weren’t supposed to do in the pages of the CAP products we were putting out.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: And is
it the case that there was a special editor who was designated to look at all
the material that was being written about Israel?
ALI GHARIB: Yeah, we had
a minder who—you know, I was looking at the Center’s blog, ThinkProgress,
and we had a minder who would take all of our posts before publication to the
executives upstairs whenever the subject was Israel, and also, in many cases,
Iran. And then, you know, one of the posts that you were talking about, Amy,
that got censored after publication had been a post that was about an Islamaphobic
film that was being shown at NYPD trainings, and we wrote an article pointing
out that the people behind this film were a group of an evangelist Orthodox
Jewish group that was involved in promoting West Bank settlements and had a
long history of Islamophobia. And that was the post that—you know, it didn’t go
through the normal channels because it wasn’t about Israel, it was just that
the people who happened to be putting out the movie were Israelis. And that was
the one that then elicited complaints from pro-Israel advocates and was cut
down after publication to remove any references to Israel.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: Well, I want to turn to one of the emails leaked to The Intercept.
ALI GHARIB: Well, Ann
Lewis is sort of a Democratic apparatchik who, since that time, since 2011,
2012, when all this happened, has joined The Israel Project, which is a
right-wing, pro-Israel advocacy group that’s headed up by a fellow named Josh
Block, a former AIPAC spokesman, who also was the one who launched the attacks
against us, calling us anti-Semites and trying to, you know, curtail our
message on Israel. And I don’t know what was going on in Neera Tanden’s head,
but I presume they met somewhere in Clintonland. They were both Clinton aides,
and they’re both considered Clinton loyalists. And that line of communication,
presumably, remained in—
AMY GOODMAN: When you
say Clinton, you’re talking about?
ALI GHARIB: Bill and
Hillary Clinton, I think. They both—Tanden worked for Hillary’s campaign the
first time around in 2008, and Ann Lewis was close to the Clintons when Bill
was president, as well.
AMY GOODMAN: We’re going
to break, and when we come back, we’re going to talk about Netanyahu coming to
the Center for American Progress. ThinkProgress wrote “10 Falsehoods
That Netanyahu Told During His Appearance at CAP.” ThinkProgress, you
talk about it in the past as being the blog of the Center—
ALI GHARIB: Yeah.
AMY GOODMAN: —but it is
separate now?
ALI GHARIB: Yeah, I
think they’re staking out some editorial independence. I mean, that becomes
clear with these sorts of posts that they’re doing. You know, I can’t speak to
whether they have restraints now on their work, but they certainly did when I
was there.
AMY GOODMAN: Ali Gharib
is a contributor to The Nation, former national security reporter for ThinkProgress,
a project of the Center for American Progress Action Fund. His most recent piece is headlined “Dissent Breaks Out at the
Center for American Progress over Netanyahu’s Visit.” We’ll be back with
him in a minute.
[break]
AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, The War and Peace Report. I’m Amy Goodman, with Nermeen Shaikh.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: I want to ask about some of the objections raised by Center for American Progress staff last week regarding the invitation to Netanyahu.
Meanwhile, Winnie Stachelberg, CAP’s executive vice president for external affairs, told Foreign Policy magazine that, as a think tank, quote,
So, Ali Gharib, can you comment on what the CAP executive vice president for external affairs said and whether, from your assessment of the event, the questions asked were critical of Netanyahu?
ALI GHARIB: Well, you
know, I think that there’s a hypocrisy there. You know, it’s tough from where I’m
sitting, because of this incident that happened a few years ago, to have some
of the same CAP executives that were involved in that saying that now they
favor an open debate, after they censored our writing. But, you know, I think
that their record speaks for themselves—itself. There’s no—you know, none of
these groups would host proponents of boycott, divesting and sanctioning
Israel, even though that’s a growing grassroots movement. And granted, you
know, that’s different than a head of state, but still, it’s about the—if it’s
about the free debate of the ideas, that’s an idea that’s growing and is
increasingly important. And so, I don’t think that they really want just an
open debate with all comers. I think that it is sort of pandering to a
particularly powerful political force in the United States.
AMY GOODMAN: Let’s go to the
Center for American Progress event with the Israeli prime minister, Netanyahu
on Tuesday. CAP President Neera Tanden questioned him about a comment he made during
the recent elections in Israel.
AMY GOODMAN: That’s Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Your response, Ali Gharib?
ALI GHARIB: Well, you
know, even that answer has some problems with it. He says that despite his
statement that Palestinian citizens of Israel voted for the Likud in larger
numbers than Labor—and that’s just not true. Noam Sheizaf did an analysis on +972
Magazine, the lefty Israeli blog, that—you know, it wasn’t a comprehensive
analysis, because the actual statistics can be tough to divine, but he pointed
out that in the Arab municipalities that are Palestinian cities within Israel,
Likud had been beat something like three to one by Labor in its best showings.
And so, you know, even that, the guy just spits out falsehoods. And I think
that speaks to the fact that Neera Tanden wasn’t the right person to conduct
this interview, because she’s not prepared with that sort of information. She
doesn’t know the issues well enough to be able to respond when Netanyahu brings
these falsehoods.
AMY GOODMAN: He was also
questioned during the Center for American Progress event on Tuesday about Gaza.
AMY GOODMAN: Your response, Ali Gharib?
ALI GHARIB: Yeah, I
mean, that’s just not true, either. Every international authority in the world
considers Gaza occupied. And the reason for that is because Israel controls its
borders and reserves the right to make incursions there. Just because there
aren’t settlements and aren’t like checkpoints on Gazan roads doesn’t mean that
it’s not militarily occupied and that the residents there aren’t subjugated by
Israeli military power. I mean, even—Israel doesn’t make new declarations of
war every time it starts these flares-up of violence in Gaza. It does it under
the authority that it has as an occupying power.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: Well, Netanyahu
was also asked about settlements, and this was his response.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: Ali Gharib, your comments on what Netanyahu said about the status of settlements?
ALI GHARIB: Yeah, I
mean, again, it’s just like obfuscation. He doesn’t—he just elides the main
points. The settlements are clearly growing. They’re growing in population.
They’re growing in size. And when Netanyahu says there hasn’t been any new
settlements, his government took steps just this very week to legalize two
outpost settlements, which are settlements that are considered illegal even by
Israeli law. And yeah, I mean, the settlements have grown in population so much
over the past 20 years. You know, if you look back at the evacuation of
settlers from Gaza, that was about 5,000 or so settlers. And now you’ve got
hundreds of thousands living in the West Bank. The idea that they can just be
extricated without an issue and it’s not a problem and the settlements aren’t
an obstacle to peace is totally bogus. And everybody knows it in the world,
except for Netanyahu.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: Well, I want to go back to the op-ed in The Forward written by Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton last week.
In July this year, Clinton also wrote a
letter to the billionaire Israel supporter Haim Saban, seeking his assistance
in countering the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement, or BDS,
calling it, quote, “the latest attempt to single out Israel on the world stage,”
adding that “we’ve seen this sort of attack before, at the UN and elsewhere.”
So, Ali Gharib, could you comment on Hillary Clinton coming out so openly in defense of Israel?
ALI GHARIB: Yeah, I
mean, she’s clearly trying to draw a contrast to Obama, and it seems pretty
obvious that a big part of that issue is donors like Haim Saban. I mean, Saban
was—is a billionaire and is a Democratic mega-donor, but was notably cool on
Barack Obama, and as he said himself, over Israel. He’s got very hawkish views
on Israel. And so it seems obvious that this is just kind of pandering. You
know, in Clinton’s op-ed, there was not a word about the occupation. And the
only appearances Palestinians made were as knife-wielding terrorists. And, you
know, no mention of their basic rights and how their basic rights are being
trampled on by the Israeli occupation. So, you know, this is like going—taking
us back a few steps in the changing discourse about Israel in this country.
AMY GOODMAN: Well, Ali
Gharib, we want to thank you very much for being with us, contributor to The
Nation magazine, former national security reporter for ThinkProgress.
We will link
to your piece and also to the ThinkProgress
piece, “10 Falsehoods
That Netanyahu Told During His Appearance at CAP.”
ALI GHARIB: They deserve
credit for that piece.
AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy
Now!, democracynow.org.
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