1.
Roman: No, but I also think there were several
points in Netanyahu’s speech that were not factually accurate, like Mr.
Finkelstein said. For instance, he said Mufti died in Cairo in 1974 of cancer.
He died in Beirut. But I think that the real Element of what we have to look at
here when regarding Mufti’s involvement, not just for the Holocaust, but about
Palestinian Arab Incitement against Jews is the History of Mufti’s meetings
with Hitler. In February of 1941, an invitation was extended from Hitler to the
Mufti in Jerusalem to Berlin. The meeting then took place in Berlin in 1941.
This is all available in German Foreign Record. In June of that year, there was
a starting of the plan called Operation Barbarossa or the Nazi Invasion of
Russia-Occupied Poland and Germany and Lithuania. We know that the Holocaust
started its inception, became in 1929, 1939, and 1940 and 1941, and culminated
in the first mass Killing in ** in September of 1941. The allegation that the Mufti was
the inspiration for the Holocaust is factually incorrect. However. To deviate
from the claims that the Mufti did not have any involvement with the Holocaust
is also factually incorrect. We saw at this at the meeting of 28
November 1941. When the Mufti and Hitler met in Berlin, there were four Agreements
that came to be. And of those Agreements, one would be: The use of Mufti’s
Propaganda in trying to rally Arabs in coming forth a Middle Eastern Holocaust
that was coming to be planned, and this was also a part of the historical
record.
2.
Roman: Sure.
3.
Roman: Sometimes politicians make factually
incorrect statements. However. I don’t think he was trying to point to the
historical record as his general point. [Ronald Reagan & George Herbert
Walker Bush] I think he was trying to point
was the linkeage between the Mufti, his Ideological heir, Yasser Arafat, and
subsequently, the Palestinian Incitements that’s going on today as being of the
same lineage as the Mufti’s Hatred towards Jews. That’s the wider issue of what
trying to bring up. The context in which he did it may have been incorrect.
However. I have to say that the Element and the Patho of what he was trying to
talk about was correct.
4.
Roman: That claim is factually incorrect.
5.
Roman: I think I deserve an opportunity to
respond to these outrageous accusations.
6.
Roman: I disagree with that, but first and
foremost, I think any ad hominem attacks against my Organisation or any
Individuals involved with it would be completely irresponsible.
7.
Roman: Yes, we did support the Right of Free
Speech. We did support the Free Speech in Europe. Like right now, we’re
supporting the Right to Have a Discussion about the elements in Palestinian
Extremism. This doesn’t have anything to do with this historical narrative that
you’re trying to bring up and take away from the ad hominem attacks that are
going on in Israel right now. So let me address the Incitement narrative that I
was asked by the interviewer.
8.
Roman: The roots of Palestinian Incitements come
from [Amin] al-Husseini, the former Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. In 1999, released
autobiography, written only in Arabic and not having been translated into
English until 2014 when the book came out called The Nazis, the Islamists, and the Making of
the Modern Middle East. We see that the Grand Mufti himself describes
the protocols of his meeting with Hitler taking place, and trying and claim to
take the Responsibility for an Incitement that took place in North Africa and
in the Middle East, and even taking Responsibility for the **, in 1941 in
Pogram against Jews in Baghdad. There is an inescapable and inextracable
connexion between Islamists in 40s and the Nazi Movement. And to make a claim
that there was an unholy alliance between Zionism and Nazism is absurd. The
conversation that took place between Shamir and elements. That alliance you were talking about was not an alliance
against the British. It was an effort to extract Jews from Europe so that they
wouldn’t die in the gas chambers. If you look at actual Zionist archives.
9.
Roman: I reiterate. The Mufti was not the
mastermind of the Final Solution.
10.
Roman: You’re putting words into my mouth, sir.
I said the Mufti, the Mufti was not the architect nor the mastermind of the
Holocaust. That’s what I’m saying. And in addition to that.
11.
Roman: You may quote whomever you want, but you
will not quote me. I would say this to you: The Mufti.
12.
Roman: He was sought
after by the Nuremberg Tribunal. He was a War-criminal.
13.
Roman: You can try to talk over me all you
want, but it doesn’t change the facts.
14.
Roman: It doesn’t change the facts.
15.
Roman: Mr. Finkelstein, I’m glad you know how
to read.
16.
Roman: I’d like to be able to respond to this
diatribe for the last minue and a half, if that’s okay.
17.
Roman: Sure, sure. The only [lunatics] and
maniacs that I’ve been able to see is young Palestinian teenagers getting on to
the bus filled with Israeli children and try to stab them to death. This
conversation about Incitement is not about the Prime Minister Netanyahu. What
it is about the roots of Incitement that have been plaguing Palestinian Society
going back 70 years. Whether it was an attempted
involvement of Mufti, trying to bring the Holocaust to the Middle East. [What the
fuck?]
18.
Roman: Occupation is not the root of the Palestinian Incitement. There
was no State of Israel from which to resist in 1941 when the Mufti met with Hitler. The Ideological heir to the
Symbolism and the Ideology of Resistance, which Palestinians claim it is and
which I’m saying is Terrorism, started many years before the State of Israel
was founded. And the argument is:
Generation after generation that is used by the Palestinian leaders that try to
whip up the Fury and resentment against the Jews who are living rightfully in
their historical homeland of Israel is coming from the same base of Hatred that
is being used today that try to convince the young Palestinians on social Media
and other venues of Incitement to commit these heinous terrorist Attacks. If we
want to end the cycle of Violence, we also have to end the cycle of Incitement
that has been going on for generations. Now, it was interesting to see that we
talked about David Ben-Gurion and also Yitzhak Shamir, both Individuals who
came to accept the fact that they had to negotiate with their Palestinian
partner. Israelis had accepted the Idea of the State of Palestine since
1948 -
19.
Roman: - when UN was able to vote on it. And
what we see now is even Binyamin Netanyahu.
20.
Roman: Sure.
21.
Roman: Go to the Madrid Conference, sir. That’s all you
need to do.
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