1.
Zizek: This is basically not a humanitarian Crisis.
Let me use an example from cinema. This is the images we see, poor refugees saved in the last
moment from drowning in the Sea. That’s of course tragic, but what we need
to do in cinematic terms, Alfred Hitchcock often used this, is the shore begins
here and then slowly we [zoom out] the camera until what we see in old Marxist
terms we call the social totality. What is going on? We should begin to ask
the real question of how is responsible for it, and I don’t think it’s only the
Western Imperialism that is responsible. Whenever something happens in a Third-World
Country like Rwanda, it must be a Consequence of neo-Colonialism. No, sorry,
think like ISIS. Think like expansion of Islam, and so on and so on. This is
not a passive reaction. This is an active problem, there are also active
agents.
2.
Newman: What is the solution then? How do you
tackle this? If you accept there’s a problem, what is the solution?
3.
Zizek: This may shock you, but I think this is
the only Consequence left, a truly left position. I don’t think that too much integration is
good. I think what we need in our multi-cultural mixed Society is a degree of
distance. My ideal today is not to live together with all different Races, Cultures,
we all love each other. No. I admit it openly. There are things about them that
I don’t understand. Probably there are many things that appear weird to them in
what I do. I want polite ignorance, and then from time to time, of course it’s
wonderful.
4.
Newman: You have polarized Communities. That
then is the problem that gives rise to potentially extremism, doesn’t it? If
you have People living entirely separately.
5.
Zizek: Here comes another problem. I claim that
extremists. Look closely at their life stories. They are not truly excluded.
They are deeply fascinated by the Western Culture and they kind of fight with
it deeply, they envy it. If anything, this wave of young People ready to fight
for ISIS and so on, they react to a certain type of integration which didn’t
work.
6.
Newman: If you’re saying you have to respect
each other’s differences and stop trying to integrate so much, where does that
leave Britain with the European Union? We’re voting very soon on whether to
stay in or leave. What would be your.
7.
Zizek: First let me correct you. I love this
marginal sphere where different Identities intermingle, and so on. This is
usually the source of the site where interesting things happen. I’m not saying
don’t enforce it, it’s a catastrophe.
8.
Newman: What I want to know where does all this
leave the UK’s Relationship with the European Union? Are we better off being
part of one big happy Family or are we better off going off on our own-
9.
Zizek: I think we all know. I think the only way to fight the destructive
aspect of global Capital is through transnational connexions. The problems we are
facing today, intellectual property, ecological problems and so on,
bio-kinetics, these are problems that can only be properly approached through
large international Corporations.
10.
Newman: Stay in and reform it from the inside?
11.
Zizek: I’m a little bit tired of how People say Europe is
dead, it’s over. Sorry, why then are so many People. Because they still have
this dream, and it doesn’t matter if it’s an illusion. No. If you are in Politics, illusions have
a certain political efficiency, and this illusion is not a bad one. Europe
means a Land, a Place where you can combine a certain level of Freedom, Safety,
social Solidarity, minimum of Welfare and so on. This part of European legacy
is worth fighting for.
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