Tuesday, October 18, 2016

"Top theorist ditches Stanford to work at Berkeley." Retrieved from http://www.poliscirumors.com/topic/top-theorist-ditches-stanford-to-work-at-berkeley.



Top theorist ditches Stanford to work at Berkeley

Levi
  “I am absolutely delighted to announce that Joshua Cohen will be joining Berkeley as a Distinguished Senior Fellow at the School of Law, the Department of Philosophy, and the Department of Political Science in the College of Letters and Science, commencing on July 1, 2015. Cohen is on the faculty at Apple University. He was previously Marta Sutton Weeks Professor of Ethics in Society and Professor of Philosophy and of Law at Stanford University, and Leon and Anne Goldberg Professor of the Humanities and Professor of Philosophy and Political Science at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
  Cohen will spend one day a week at Berkeley.”
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Paise
  He left Sanford for Apple a few years ago.
  This just sounds like a retirement gig.
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Hortense
  Center for Judaic Studies
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Stanis
  Top theorist gets a state school to pay his salary while he’s really working at Apple University. Nice gig if you can get it.
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Racheal
  He actually ditched Stanford to work at Apple.
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Madge
  There is nothing more attractive than the extreme leftist who carves out the cushiest possible deal at public expense, cf. Brown and Butler.
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Lowell
  “Champagne socialist and loving every minute of it!” - J. Cohen
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Lowell
  I don’t blame him for milking the system for every unearned dollar that he can squeeze out of it, mind you. Just wish he’d shut his cakehole about all that egalitarian, progressive gasbaggery.
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Madge
  One thing I’ll say; the guy has done pretty well for someone whose most cited work is in edited volumes.
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Hedley
  he left Stanford for Apple==> did not like it, but can no longer return to Stanford ==> settles for Berkeley now as a fellow?
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Barnabe
  The fieck is Apple University?!
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Racheal
  Google is your friend:
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Madge
  Can a theorist explain what exactly is the blinding insight that we owe this very well-compensated man?
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Marsha
  He is very ill. ‘Retirement’ isn’t the right word here.
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Angele
  One day a week nice
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Khloe
  250k for 8hrs per week not a bad gig if u can get it
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Sharyl
  He only resigned from Stanford about two months ago-- he’s been on leave for a couple years, but still on the faculty.
  So what this now looks like is-- spent a couple years at Apple U, decided it was where he wanted to spend most of his time, tried to work out an arrangement for a very-part-time relationship to Stanford, they said no, probably then started talking to Berkeley but the deal wasn’t finished and signed by the time he had to formally decide whether he was coming back to Stanford, so he announced he was leaving Stanford for Apple. A deal like the one Berkeley is describing doesn’t get put together in six weeks over Christmas, so it was already in the works and when he left Stanford he knew he was going to sign with Berkeley soon.
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Julienne
  In what bizarre world does Joshua Cohen qualify as an “extreme leftist”?
  That’s just poor trolling, son.
  There is nothing more attractive than the extreme leftist who carves out the cushiest possible deal at public expense, cf. Brown and Butler.
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Khloe
  JC is known in part for his rawlsian defense of limited inequality; funny thing is that he works for Apple, which is part of the Silicon Valley hi-tech inequality machine (SF is one of the most unequal cities in the world due to Silicon biz). There was a great article in the New Yorker about this and he was interviewed there.
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Julienne
  Do you have to have blinding insights to be well-compensated? Some executives and fund managers must be getting nervous, now that you’ve clarified that particular economic law for us.
Look, no one’s claiming political philosophy is curing cancer, or ending poverty, or solving the mysteries of dark matter. But as political philosophers go, Cohen’s one of the good guys, in stark contrast to the Wendy Browns and Davide Panagias of the academic freakshow that is political theory.
  Can a theorist explain what exactly is the blinding insight that we owe this very well-compensated man?
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Julienne
  Huh?

  JC is known in part for his rawlsian defense of limited inequality
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Khloe
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Niles
  “There was a great article in the New Yorker about this and he was interviewed there.”
  Was he one of those who wanted city buses to go from SF to SV?
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Khloe
  importantly, Stanford now loses its only major political theorist.
  Ober is great but mainly in Classics; and AmcQ is great too but very junior.
  Basically PT is dead at SU.
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Khloe
  if you do a search for “Political Theory Faculty” at SU, you get this: (12 people):
  totally misleading
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Julienne
  This paper says nothing like what you describe, Khloe.
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Khloe
  who gives a s**t
  lolz
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Michelle
  How do you know the salary?
  250k for 8hrs per week not a bad gig if u can get it
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Essie
  if you do a search for “Political Theory Faculty” at SU, you get this: (12 people):
  https://politicalscience.stanford.edu/people/faculty?title=&field_s_person_faculty_type_tid_1=All&field_s_person_interests_tid_1=44
  totally misleading
  None of those people are theorists.
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Khloe
  That’s my point
  Stanford now almost no theory
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Abel
  Actually, 4 of them are (Ober, McQueen, Rakove, Reich) and Weingast is being his typical polymath self and writing a book on Adam Smith.
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Kitty
  what is a Rakove?
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Garrett
  how the hell did RR get tenure?
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Fina
  I don’t remember the timing but it was around the time Hardin left and Okin died, leaving Stanford with basically nobody. I think denying him could have been the death of theory there.
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Khloe
  RR lucked out bigtime lolz
  hes a nice guy but really hardly contributes to PT there.
  but seriously, how can SU really be “CHYMPS” when its so weak in PT overall?
  theres absolutely no comparison with Cal, H,Y,P or Chicago.
  IT may be strong in other fields, but it’s way to weak in PT to be a superb dept overall. They would need now 2 Full profs, and 1 asssoc, and 1 AP to even compare.
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Khloe
  ps rakove and weingast are not really PT
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Lavern
  Doesn’t Stanford have a theory search happening this year?
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Khloe
  not sure but 1 more assistant prof doesnt change anything for a big dept like stanford
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Niles
  “IT may be strong in other fields, but it’s way to weak in PT to be a superb dept overall. They would need now 2 Full profs, and 1 asssoc, and 1 AP to even compare”
Proves what we’ve known all along, i.e., PT is irrelevant for TOPness!!
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Khloe
  yes, stanford is sending a big signal that PT is not needed.
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Melitta
  Well, we actually went a while before the f***king stupid TOPness trope came up. So ... go us?
But all this hand-wringing (or gloating) about the crisis of PT at Stanford is a bit overblown. Not unfounded, but overblown. JC hadn’t been around much (both because he was at Apple, and because of his health) for a while, and had announced his departure last year -- so the fact that he’s been hired to a fellowship at Cal doesn’t represent any sort of sudden shift. Stanford’s been underperforming in PT for a while now -- underperforming for a top-tier department at least. Can they change that? Sure: hire one really good junior person this year, do a (successful) senior search next year, draw on people from other departments and the law school -- and they’ll have a pretty strong program again (not on a par with Harvard/Princeton/Chicago/Yale, but then they’ve never really been on a par with those places in PT).
  Will they make a good junior hire this year and a senior hire next? Well, maybe not. It’s now up to Stanford to decide whether they care about being a contender in PT -- whether they want to go the route of H/P/UofC/Y, or of Michigan, Rochester, NYU, and other strong programs that are weaker in PT.
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Khloe
  lol
  your conclusion (the last sentence) basically undermines your first sentence.
  you initially try to minimize the JC loss, but then you basically conclude that Stanford could be the next Rochester lol
  that’s in fact a HUGE shift: from the CHYP model to a quant based Mich/Rochester/NYU model...
  And the fact that Stanford hasn’t really cared about strengthening PT even before JC went to Apple (at least as far back as 2008) then DOES indeed SIGNAL a major shift, away from the CHYP model where Theory is integral to the Dept, to the M/R/NYU model, where it is marginal to it.
  so yeah, it’s a big issue...which an additional junior hire cannot fix.
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Melitta
  Khloe, you sound charming.
  No contradiction between conclusion and first sentence: it’s up to Stanford whether this spells the death of PT at Stanford. Maybe it will, maybe it won’t. If they hire aggressively in theory, then that’ll be a big shift; otherwise, it’ll just confirm PT’s eclipse at Stanford, which has been going on for a while now.
  Indeed, you yourself seem to be unclear about what you’re arguing -- you suggest that abandoning the CHYP model would be a HUGE (HUGE!) shift, but also acknowledge that it’s been happening for a while, and JC’s departure isn’t really much of a game-changer in that regard. It’s fine to predict the further decline of PT at Stanford, and lament it; but to both note that Stanford’s been weak in theory for a while, and to treat this latest development as a huge deal ... well, who’s contradicting themselves?
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Khloe
  thanks Melitta
  ,...hmm yea...it is up to stanford.
  isnt it?
  but anyway, the reason why Stanford was ‘credible’ in PT was that JC was there. SO yes, his leaving makes a huge difference; and it IS a qualitative change from pre-JC leaving days.
  I’ll restate the obvious: a CHYMPS dept basically deciding not to care about PT is a big deal. They really haven’t cared for a while, esp. since JC went to Apple, but now there is an explicit signal. Maybe they’ll reverse course, maybe not. But a major department allowing the decline of PT is a big deal in the whole discussion of what counts as good poli sci, and as a good poli sci dept.
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Milo
  It’s now up to Stanford to decide whether they care about being a contender in PT -- whether they want to go the route of H/P/UofC/Y, or of Michigan, Rochester, NYU, and other strong programs that are weaker in PT.
  NYU is STRONG in PT
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Brant
  No, NYU is weak in PT
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Khloe
  the anti-PT people are winning; NYU, stanford, columbia, all weak in pt
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Charity
  Though these represent different series of events: Columbia’s grown weak because the theorists there are dysfunctional -- there are too many already to justify another senior line, but they can’t work together and make life unpleasant for juniors. NYU has decided that it wants theory to be a small and narrow part of the dept, which isn’t surprising. Stanford ... it’s unclear how much it’s a matter of false complacency (implausible, but you never know), how much it’s indifference about theory, how much it’s been a matter of having difficulty getting another line for a senior theorist (maybe also unlikely given SU’s wealth, but one never knows).
  But yes, this does reflect a worrying trend (for us theorists) of top-tier programs letting theory languish.
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Doran
  Goddammit,Charity, stop being so sensible. Do’t you know where we are?
  Though these represent different series of events: Columbia’s grown weak because the theorists there are dysfunctional -- there are too many already to justify another senior line, but they can’t work together and make life unpleasant for juniors. NYU has decided that it wants theory to be a small and narrow part of the dept, which isn’t surprising. Stanford ... it’s unclear how much it’s a matter of false complacency (implausible, but you never know), how much it’s indifference about theory, how much it’s been a matter of having difficulty getting another line for a senior theorist (maybe also unlikely given SU’s wealth, but one never knows).
  But yes, this does reflect a worrying trend (for us theorists) of top-tier programs letting theory languish.
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Khloe
  reasons and causes may differ, but the end result is the same.
  weakening of pt in some top depts
  like nyu, columbia, now stanford...sad
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Donnie
  Getting JO and JC at once represented a major push by Stanford, and there have been new centers and postdocs etc created since then. Until JC formally said he wasn’t coming back, there probably couldn’t be any real way to start trying to replace him, but I don’t see any reason to think that the impetus for the big push a few years ago has gone away. There hasn’t yet been even one hiring season since JC’s official departure, so there’s no reason yet to think that SU isn’t going to try to hire senior and keep up its recent commitment to the program.
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Aerith
  David Estlund would be great there.
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